Charcoal - good or bad?

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  1. As you may have seen, Gervais Sawyer has contributed an interesting article on charcoal: http://www.swog.org.uk/articles/small-woodland-owners-and-charcoal-by-gervais-sawyer/

    I actually agree with much of what he says, in particular that:
    - energy-wise, charcoal makes no sense at all. it's much better to just use the wood, rather than waste all that heat converting it to charcoal.
    - pollution wise, a traditional charcoal kiln emits a lot of smoke!

    However, that's not the end of the story. Other points to consider are:
    - if people are using charcoal anyway, is it not better that it comes from a local source?
    - the wood being converted to charcoal may not have any other use, especially if the extraction route is difficult, as charcoal is a lot lighter to carry out by hand than wood.
    - if making charcoal and selling it provides money to pay for management of the wood, that could be a positive thing for biodiversity.

    I wonder if what's needed is a cheap and simple design for a retort kiln, that lets you burn scrappy wood to convert the better wood to charcoal, and the gases driven off in the process are used to provide part of the heat, thereby reducing the pollution?

    Anyone aware of such a design? We improvised something with a couple of metal drums (a design suggested by Gervais) but it only works on a very small scale. http://peplers.blogspot.com/2008/06/charcoal-kiln-test-and-stuff-thats.html

    Mike

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. here is a retort kiln. http://64.176.180.203/charcoalretort.htm

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. Solar Wood
    Member

    We do a little charcoal burn in a large drum which we use scrappy bits of wood in. If we get it right, which is not often, we use it as a easy lighter for outside fires. It is easier to transport also

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. RichardKing
    Member

    I can see that there is advantage to the retort method in that you could heat the retort using brash or other "waste" wood.
    Gasses from retort heated wood have other potential, including running engines. Apparently they can be fed directly into the air intake of a diesel engine & greatly reduce fuel use. But only has half the energy output. This was done widely during the second world war.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. We got a charcoal kiln last year and have been making charcoal on a reasonable scale since. Yes, you get volatile materials in the smoke which is not pleasant.

    The main advantage we find with charcoal burning is that we can use wood in it that is unsuitable for firewood and would otherwise be unuseable.

    Environmentally, if people want to use charcoal for barbecues, forges, or soil conditioning, it is better to use charcoal produced in this country. It minimises fuel miles, creates rural employment, uses 'waste' wood from woodland management, and does not require lighter fuel to get it going. We also know that all woodland in this country is managed sustainably, unlike some of the foreign sources of charcoal.

    Personally, if I want to cook outside, I usually use wood, but if others want to use charcoal, it is worth providing it from British woodland.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. Gervais Sawyer
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    I am familiar with the drum kiln and it is a great idea. In practice it needs a bit of further engineering because drum steel is rather thin and cracks, corrodes and distorts quickly leading to gas leakage. If the cover plate were made up in thicker (stainless) steel, things would start to get better. An internal fan to circulate the hot air and gases would improve efficiency too. It would be great to engineer something better that could be used by a group of woodland owners. I would add to my article that leaving the wood only part carbonised would make the charcoal much easier to light and would give lots of smoke for flavour.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. Glad you said that, Gervais. I had a thicker steel lid made for my oil drum. I have found that the best way to make sure the heat spreads is to fill the the drum half way then fill up with newspaper and kindling. Set on fire once roaring throw in the other half of the wood. I tried this last weekend and had only a few browns.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. Franakapan
    Member

    I know this is an old thread but I thought I'd comment on retorts.

    The retorts that I have seen at CAT consist of two (or more) oil drums contained within a steel oil storage tank. The drums were raised from the ground using railway tracks if I remember correctly, one widthways at the front of the tank to support four more welded to the first which provides stable support for the drums. Each drum has an exhaust pipe welded to an opening that has been cut into the side of the drum that is closest to the fire at the bottom of the tank.

    Here are a few of pictures if you fancy having a look. They're not the best unfortunately, and ignore the wood stacked at the bottom of the tank.

    http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c396/Franakapan/Retort/DSCF2613.jpg
    http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c396/Franakapan/Retort/DSCF2615.jpg
    http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c396/Franakapan/Retort/DSCF2617.jpg
    http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c396/Franakapan/Retort/DSCF2618.jpg
    http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c396/Franakapan/Retort/DSCF2620.jpg

    Using a retort is the method I'd use because of the relatively high efficiency rate (bigger yield) compared to burning in a drum, and the harmful or polluting elements of the smoke are burnt off in the process. Using a retort is also pretty quick, about 2 hours I think.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  9. I'm not sure if a retort kiln is that much more efficient. Looking at those picture you burning nearly as much wood to get charcoal. Does look like a good way to get rid of brash.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  10. Franakapan
    Member

    Yeah there is that but, as you say, using scrap/waste wood would be better then using wood that could be used for something else.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  11. Chris Saunders
    Member

    I did a one day course at CAT using the retort charcoal Kiln last year, My experience was very positive.
    As Franakapan noted above any old (dry) timber can be used to start the process, old palettes, brash etc
    Once started the system is self fuelling by the charcoal off gasses.
    No need to stay up all night with the burn as it is self extinguishing at the appropriate time. That is when the gassing stops.
    From my one days experience, the system seemed to be quick. We loaded and lit the kiln by 11:30 and by 15:30 the finished charcoal was unloaded. Albeit sill hot. Best to leave to cool I would think.
    We did a burn with a mini ring kiln (45Gal drum)at teh same time and the charcoal from the retort was much superior being evenly processed and low in fines.
    The only down side I could see was that the thin (and second hand) steel parts will quickly corrode, At a guess 3 years life.
    When I get round to it I will certainly use a similar design, but possibly with some enhancements.
    There is a good deal of lost heat and I am considering partly burying the kiln in a large clay bank I have in my wood following a pond excavation some years ago. This should help by insulating the kiln and thus requiring less wood to start the process. This has also led me to consider utilising the waste heat by incorporating a bread oven and maybe even a water heater to feed a hot tub!
    Any one know where I can get an old domestic oil tank?

    Posted 3 months ago #
  12. Franakapan
    Member

    Bob Shaw from CAT mentioned that it's worth getting in touch with people who replace domestic oil tanks or sell heating oil as these people are likely to come across metal tanks in the course of their work and will probably be happy to pass them on for free or a nominal sum of money. I seem to remember him mentioning scrap yards as well.

    Great ideas regarding getting more from the kiln/retort - I'm definitely going to look into the insulation and bread oven!

    Posted 3 months ago #

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