Coppice and woodland product prices

(21 posts)

  1. greyman
    Administrator

    Is there anyone out there in the great backwoods who can help us set up a resource of rough price guides for produce. I'd like to see a section where we can record pricing for things like charcoal and grades: hurdles: bean sticks: pea sticks etc. Trying to assess what the market will stand or trying to work out where to go to sell your hard won bits of stick has defeated me somewhat. Prospective vendors are not very forward in giving you information on what they'll pay for stuff - of course they want it at the cheapest price so they can make as much profit as they can. I am more than happy to be the 'hub' to collate the information.

    If I've missed any info set out somewhere else on t'internet by all means jeer from the sidlines and give me a poke with a mucky stick.

    Greyman

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. Great idea! I think we will get a wide variety of prices. I have heard that we must be very careful with the whole weights and measures thing too.

    ok, I can start
    Trailer load of firewood - either birch or chestnut, cut to the customers size request, £30. (its 2 thirds of a cubic metre)
    Lol, Sean, you are going to have a GREAT time with the measurements ;-)

    Allotment stuff more difficult, as some we swap for manure or food - I will see if Mike can quote more accurately.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. greyman
    Administrator

    First bit of info:

    http://www.hampshirecoppice.org.uk/assets/Teller%20pdf/Teller%20spring%2008-1.pdf

    If there are any other links that people know of we'd like to hear from you!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. carlight
    Member

    hi .firewood appears , when measured , to be 'thrown ' volume .(sort of flies in the face of commercial forestry , where air spaces are minused from volume measurements)
    so , a cubic metre of firewood is in fact about half a cube of ' actual wood ' .(thrown firewood being ~50% air spaces - for reference ,neatly snedded and neatly stacked cords #30% air )
    from what i see , a cube of split , seasoned firewood can be £50 to £80 , delivered.
    My maths is prob way out , but , ~36 cubic ft x half = 18cubit ft. =£4 per cubic ft.---
    am refering to hardwoods .
    Charcoal ,graded , bagged , delivered ought to be £1 a kilo ,trade .
    There is an element of guesswork here , as i sell by volume .
    Believe my mountain of gradeout is saleable as horticultural charcoal ,but . .

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. RichardKing
    Member

    Well, back in about September Tim Saunders suggested we could get £55- a cubic metre for firewood. That is £66- for a 1.2 cubic metre load delivered.
    Prices seem to vary with area, Hawkhurst is said to be very low (probably cos they are nicking it from my wood).
    Around here (Mark Cross) prices are about £70- for 1.2 metres.
    although Wilderness Wood only 10 min away still getting £81- a cubic metre ! and apparently they sold out. An employee there bought a load from me as it was cheaper (and drier)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. greyman
    Administrator

    Some useful bits of info here - anyone got prices for bean sticks, peastick bundles, quantities per bundle and sizes etc?

    Thanks to those who've posted stuff. We'll look at getting it together in a week or two and report it back for the end of Feb

    Love and bananas,
    Greyman

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. Mike and I just took an order to an allotment. 15 thick poles, 8 ft long, straight and pointed. 30 poles 8 ft long thin.
    After felling, snedding, pointing and stacking it took about 3 man (woman) hours to carry them down a track, load trailer, drive trailer and unload at allotment)

    At minimum wage of £5.73, that makes us nearly £18- just for everything involved in the delivery - not counting felling, snedding, pointing, and the wood itself.

    We charged £40 - and beginning to wonder if that was just too little for the work involved! I guess until you know how long a job like that takes, it is difficult to set prices!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. I wrote to the Surrey, Sussex coppice group to ask them: Here is a reply from Paul in Dorset.

    Not only might you have difficulty with differences in size of loads for firewood for example but different areas attract different prices, I believe the price for a cubic meter of firewood here is around £40. I sell bean poles, pea sticks, stakes and ethers in bundles of 20 for £8.50. Last year I sold charcoal for £3 per bag wholesale, this was for a bag that did not have the weight printed on it (weights and measures issues) but I weigh them to approximately 3 kg.
    Retail, I sell them for £4.50. I was going to put prices up this year but may not now that the financial situation is a trifle precarious!

    I wish you every success with the list as I know how difficult it is to gauge prices when one first sets out, even now I often call other people to find out what is being charged so I can set my prices at the right level. Dorset Coppice Group is looking at the possibility of standardising bean pole and pea stick prices this year to coincide with bean pole week.

    Finally, I generally charge £10 per hour for simple garden tree related work that does not involve climbing.

    Cheers

    Paul Vodden

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. John Sinclair sent us loads of his prices: He says

    Wow,
    you are taking on a huge task in trying to collate some kind of 'indicative prices', anthow here goes....

    Firewood,
    I sell, this season, at roughly the following: £20 / 100 logs, which works out at about £40/ cubic metre (or about 200-225 logs) which is about 1/3 of a ton, which equates to about £120 / ton or about 600-650 logs. Though this begs the question 'how big is a log?' or indeed 'how long is a piece of string?'

    Charcoal,
    last summer I sold at @ £75 / Dumpy sack, loose and unbagged.
    Wholesale price was £3.25 / 3kg+ bag, minimum order 10 bags, (British Coppice Association etc, so not actually labelled as any particular weight) but I found that the time and effort taken to weigh and even out bags was not worth the hassle compared to 'fill it and close it' style. Factory gate price, i.e. those who collect from store or my house £4.50, normal retail price £5.00. Having said all that the cost of bags is set to rise, as are most other costs, and I have sold at those prices for the last 5 years.....

    Bean poles:
    don't forget National Bean Pole Week end of April - beginning of May.
    I sell at £4.50 / 11 or £5.50 / 13 (5 bays and 1 across, or 6 bays and 1 across)

    Pea Sticks:
    normally £4.50/10

    Post & Rail:
    Rails £4.50 each at 10' other lengths p.o.a. depending on quantity. Posts - an awful lot depends on whether or not the mortices are 2 or 3 and single(square) or 2 parallel slots but generally in the region of £10

    Other:
    where do we start?

    Ash Tent pegs. 9" - hardly worth selling or buying at 35p each - mainly for garden badminton sets etc.
    12", generally the size scouts like for patrol tents at 45p each
    lots of slightly different designs now, some for beach volleyball, yurts, marquees
    Bigger thicker, chunkier - pricier.
    I almost invariably give a bulk discount to scout troops of up to 20%, because I think they deserve it!

    There are a whiole swathe of other possibly products floating around out
    there...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. Hi every one thanks for the plug for the Hampshire coppice group site (I'm the webmaster) and nice to see John Sinclair's name mentioned.

    We sell fire wood by the 1.2cu load loose @£65 within 10miles of our base (Horndean, Hampshire) with log bags at @£3.50 per bag.

    you may be interested in the this site:
    http://www.wesnetservices.co.uk/html/firewood.html

    ttfn kester

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. Philip Hardy has sent us his prices

    Retail bag of charcoal (3kg approx) £4.50

    The bags are British coppice association, filled with two galvanised buckets worth of charcoal. I found this easier than weighing, as my woods have a mixture ofvery heavy and light woods. Heavy:- Hornbeam and blackthorn, Light:- alder and birch, which depending on what went into the kiln, would produce bags that were over stuffed, or half full at 3 kg.

    Bulk retail, 3 bags or more £11 per 3 bags
    Wholesale £3.00 a bag, minimum order 10 bags
    Bean sticks £8 for a bundle of 20
    Peasticks. Not sold before this year, but have a some for sale this year, and thinking of a price of £3 for a bundle of 20, retail.
    Small logs in a net sacking (millenium sacks potato sacks size) £5.00 retail, £3.00 wholesale.
    Large logs £50 per chord. I only sell hornbeam this way. The logs are cut to approx 9", but not split, and the buyer must collect.This way I minimise handling of very heavy wood, and save time and fuel from delivering.
    Willow Withies 9"+ £8 bundle of 20
    Willow Withies 6"-9" £8 bundle of 40

    I hope this is helpful.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. greyman
    Administrator

    Oh! My! What did I doooooooo! Well just a little bit of information to be going on with then. I'll buy some extra candles on the way home from work 'cos there's plenty of work to do to tease out the specifics. None the less I'd just like to thank all the post's so far - and despite my comments -keep 'em coming.

    Love and Bananas,
    Greyman

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. For the high end prices:
    http://www.wildernesswood.co.uk/

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. prices? good luck.
    If any one wants a copy of my price list, email me(please dont come to hereford and undercut me)!
    Though it all depends on your area, what you want to be doing and what your market is.
    Fire wood goes for £60 per cube and £85 for 1 1/2 cube. Bean poles are 50p each. These are side lines I use to bring in new customers, I can then give them a flier and sell them my other ( more lucrative) products and services. I also have the oppatunity to tell them about what I do and ask if there's any thing they would like.
    Pricing is a fine line- too low and sell it all for no profit, too high and not sell it but make more per unit.
    I think it's also worth thinking about what you want to do and how much product you've got. Do you want to be churning out spars (mostly imported from poland) by the thousand for 10 pence each or making chairs worth £200? It's probably the same hourly rate for both activities, and done occasonly can be good fun. But do you want to working in spar factory for the rest of your life? (Thats why they come from poland)
    In my opinion this is why the coppice industry is in disrepair, the coppice products using bulk hazel can be boring, hard, low paid full time jobs (but fun pass times), without many contempory uses.
    This is why we should all do our best to find new markets and develop new products, hazel coppice will only get managed if it becomes a valuable crop again. Which is why bean pole week is such a fantastic idea, get people back into the habit of buying sticks from woodlanders.
    We've certainly got some.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. Has anyone looked on www.ecolots.co.uk for an idea of firewood prices - they seem to vary somewhat depending on location etc

    It is also a good site for other interesting bits and pieces

    I bought a second hand Ifor Williams trailer (GD85) with mesh sides and aluminium canopy cover off this site, and it was considerably cheaper than any where else!! You never know what bargains there are out there!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. Thanks for all your help with prices, now I am after photos of coppice products please!
    As in: this is a pea stick
    bean pole
    hazel hurdle sticks
    ....etc!
    Hope you can help!

    Tracy

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. carlight
    Member

    hi ,greyman .
    did we ever get to the point of a definitive list ?
    have heard of some tasty(for sellers)increases re firewood /charcoal prices ...?
    would be good to have a listing on prices
    also ,- any recent prices for firewood 'at roadside ' -i e buying it in from the fc.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. greyman
    Administrator

    Carlight and any others who are interested:
    I did pull together some indicative prices from the postings but it got a bit bogged down with the different measurements and me getting busy elsewhere! I've been asked to have another go at putting something together, so, if anyone has any newer prices from thier areas, what has been sold this year and any prices for the coming season, I'd be more that pleased to hear from you!

    If possible can anyone posting information give it in the following format:

    County name

    What the product is i.e. Fire wood, poles, pea sticks, charcoal, drawing charcoal, bean sticks etc

    Price

    And now the difficult bit - quantities it is sold in i.e. Firewood - delivered in bags, truck load, volume (cubic Meter, Yard etc) or weight. For things like Peasticks we need to know if the price is per bundle, bundle quantity and sizes (length of average stick)

    I hope this isn't too difficult but it will help me to manage the information!

    Hope to hear from all you budding bussiness people!

    Greyman

    Posted 10 months ago #
  19. Kris Hemin
    Member

    Can I, if I can use the phrase, rekindle this thread.

    Some friends are to run a yurting course and want ash rods. In my two woodlands I have just enough to provide them with the 150 or so one inch and two inch rods they need. However I'd be hard pressed to meet a repeat order - which is bound to come - for a couple of years. So this is to find whether there is a coppice network possible for such products. I know transport is an issue but my belief is that if the network is there the demand will develop and more providers will emerge. Me, I'm trying to develop mixed coppice with standards, so have hazel, willow, chestnut, alder, lime, apple, hawthorn and oak as well as the ash.
    Pricing I've not settled but thought £1 for the 1" and £2 for the 2", each x 6-9 foot.
    My location is NWWales.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  20. splodger
    Member

    hi kris - we have sold chestnut to a yurt maker - but to keep our labour time down (to zero) the yurt maker comes and cuts the poles himself - he gets great & cheap poles - we get the pruning done and a bit of beer money

    Posted 1 month ago #

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